I’m not sure what it is, their sugar glider baby has been out of pouch for about 10 days and seems to cling onto the dad more then the mom and still needs to nurse often so I am afraid if I put in 2 pouches the baby will not get nursed properly or be rejected, but I feel sorry for the male! he is a sweet heart and has a horrible mate! I bought them together not my fault lol ! she needs to go to the looney been or de tox something! I don’t know what her trip is!!!!